I was standing at a bus stop last week in the middle of the day, eavesdropping (terrible habit, can’t condone it, but sometimes you can’t help yourself) on two middle aged, working class women discussing tactical voting (or how to get rid of Labour without getting the SNP – the Lib Dems were going to do quite well with this totally unrepresentative sample of the Edinburgh electorate). Anyway, in a weird kind of way this restored some of my faith in the political process. I think the electorate are often a lot more canny than they are given credit for by politicians. At the last Scottish elections, for example, Lothian region returned 4 out of 7 regional MSPs from smaller parties or independent candidates – not a fluke, I think and I trend I hope we will see replicated again this week.
One of the strengths of the Scottish Parliament has been the voice given to the smaller parties, and if, as seems likely, we have a minority government after Thursday, these smaller parties will have an even larger part to play. I suspect the turnout is going to be low on Thursday (I wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t much over 50%, unfortunately) which means that the parties who get their voters out will do better than expected. Its also worth noting that opinion polls for the Scottish elections have consistently failed to predict the outcome of the regional votes, with smaller parties often doing much better than expected, and I suspect the same will happen this time.
Anyway, having thoroughly critiqued the Christian parties in my previous posts (Christian Politics Revisited and Family Values and the Scottish Elections), I thought it only fair to share some thoughts on the other parties, together with some predictions, so I can look a complete fool come Friday morning!
Labour – the labour candidates I’ve seen look thoroughly demoralised already. I think they know they’re in for a hiding. They’ve also been so busy trying to distance themselves from the Labour government in Westminster, they don’t seem to have done a very good job of putting forward what they’re actually standing for. I suspect, if their supporters are equally demoralised, they might struggle to get their voters out on Thursday. If they have a good day they might only lose 10 seats, if it goes badly maybe twice that or more. will win 37 seats (-13)
SNP – The SNP will be the largest party after Thursday. My feeling with them, is that apart from the referendum, they’re trying a bit too hard to be all things to all men, supporting anything that’s popular and it will be interesting if they do form a government to see what gives first. Not sure how much I trust Alex Salmond, but the nightmare scenario is that he doesn’t win his own seat (it could happen) and we get Nicola Sturgeon as first minister! Overall I think they’ll gain between 10-15 seats, the balance in the system meaning that for some of the constituencies they win, they’ll lose some regional seats. 41 seats (+13)
Lib-Dems – will be desparate to keep the debate off Trident as their stance doesn’t come across as well as the easy “No” stance of other parties. There is an element of sitting on the fence about it, but its also quite a considered, thought-out approach, but not one which distils easily into a soundbite. However, its not a stance I agree with them on – my own view trident should go as soon as possible. That apart, I like what I’m hearing from them about health, education, local taxation and the environment, but am not over-enamoured with my local candidate. I think they will do well in some areas – I think Edinburgh could be particularly rich pickings for them, keeping the two seats they have and maybe picking up one or two more, perhaps making Malcolm Chisholm one of the big name casualties of the day in Edinburgh North. The advantage being in Lothians, they have no list MSPs to lose if they pick up seats here. Overall, I think they’ll finish one or two seats up. 19 seats (+2)
Conservatives – for all David Cameron’s friendly face of tory-ism, Scottish leader Annabel Goldie comes across as more of an old-fashioned conservative. I think they’re weak on the environment and I’m not convinced by their arguments that their policies will benefit the least well-off sections of society. The candidate in my constituency was particularly poor answering how his party would address the gap between rich and poor. Overall, I think they might pick up a few constituencies from Labour, but will lose on the list anything they gain on the constituency and finish up exactly where they started. 18 Seats (no change)
Greens – unsurprisingly, are probably the best on the environment, but also sound reasonable on health, tax, etc… I do take issue with their plans to indiscriminately abolish denominational schools, but otherwise like what I’ve heard from them. I think they might do better than expected, holding what they’ve got and maybe picking up one or two other seats. 9 seats (+2)
Scottish Socialist/Solidarity – I anticipate that the split will also split their votes, leading to a bit of a wipe out of the seats they have. Unfortunately, I suspect Tommy Sheridan might hang on in Glasgow, although anybody who campaigns with George Galloway deserves to lose!. I hope Colin Fox holds onto his seat in Lothians, but it will be a close run thing. 1 for SSP, 1 for Solidarity (-5)
Senior Citizens Party – (oops, can’t quite remember their proper name). Bizarrely, they might be the main beneficiary of the socialist wipe out. Could also do well because their core support are possibly the most politically motivated, committed and active part of the population and will vote on Thursday. They’ll hold the seat they have and maybe add one or two more. 3 seats (+2)
Independants – Margo MacDonald will hold her seat in Lothians, and good for her. Dennis Cannavan’s decision not to stand again in Falkirk West for family reasons could give Labour its one solitary gain of the night. That’s usually one of the first seats to declare, so it might be an indication of how things are going - if Labour don’t win it back, it will be a very bad night for them indeed! 1 seat (-1)
UKIP - Thankfully an irrelevance in Scotland, and long may they remain so. 0
BNP - in the words of one Radio 4 comedian – “they are racist, and if you vote for them, so are you”. 0
I think that about sums it up – I hope you will vote, if you’re entitled to do so, whoever you vote for. As for me, the constituency vote will probably go Lib Dem for lack of a better option and the regional vote will be Green.
Anybody think they can do any better with predictions of want to try and change my mind about things - please add your comments here.
A Final thought - my favourite election poster so far - "Vote SNP for longer school holidays". OK, so that was from a mock-election in one of my schools, but it appealed to me!
16 comments:
I'm not going to hazard a guess at the numbers of people likely to be winning or losing seats, but I do want to endorse your point about Christian political parties - mostly made in your previous post (which I had to dig around for - so more internal links please!)
Christian engagement in politics is essential. Single issue or narrow issue politics creates confusion and a problem of credibility in other areas. While I'm not advocating a system with only a couple of parties - see the inconsistencies in the US - I'm not a fan of lots of parties.
Israel has more than its fair share of narrow interest group parties that end up having the balance of power in awkward coalitions. Some of the right-wing orthodox parties even demand a position in the Israeli cabinet.
I don't see how a Christian party in Scotland is going to gain any traction in issues apart from the fact that they won't have to vote in line with a 'three-line whip'. Old speak for having the party tell you what to vote for.
Anyway, you don't say who you're likely to vote for - is that because it's a secret ballot or because you've not made up your mind yet . . .
Hi Dan,
Thanks for the comment. My voting intentions are there - just maybe a bit hidden at the end of the post. It'll probably be Lib Dem for the constituency and Green for the region. Not quite decided on order for the council yet.
I think I agree with you re:single issue politics, but probably differ about number of parties - I think a wide range of representation can be beneficial. If there is a willingness amongst the parties to work together and form different alliances around different issues, I actually think you could get a very strong parliament, even with a minority government. I think in Scotland some parties have shown more willingness to do this than others.
Take your point about internal links. Will try to correct.
Hey Tony - great idea. I have posted my predictions over at my blog ... see my predictions here, and a few further thoughts.
For your record I think the results will be:
* Labour: 43 (-7)
* SNP: 42 (+15)
* Lib Dem: 17 (no change)
* Tories: 16 (-2)
* Green: 10 (+3)
* Independent: 1 (-3)
* SSP: 0 (-6)
How are you going to work out who gets closest? I want the pint you are offering!
Oh, I think I'll work it on a straight number of seats you're out by basis, so if you predicted 43 for Labour and they only get 40 you'd be out by 3. Add up the total and whoever has least wins.
And, of course I'll cough up contrary to your slanderous insinuations on your own blog!
I agree with you that there is a "keep the SNP out" element, but the mood I'm sensing is "keep the SNP out but show Labour we're fed up with them" - which is where I think the Lib Dems could benefit. And I think that will also benefit the smaller parties in the regions - who I hope do rather better than you predict!
Personally, I think the Tory that's buried in Rupert :-) is far too optimistic on the results for the New Tories, er, I mean Labour.
Friday morning will be a new dawn for Scotland, a new administration and hope for the first time since the Parly opened its doors. An SNP-Liberal-Green coalition will dump Trident, reform the Council Tax (though not on the basis of any current plan, they are all unworkable), agree to disagree on an independence referendum in 2010 and get stuck into Brown on absolutely everything.
Labour: 38
SNP: 42
Lib Dems: 19
Tories: 15
Greens: 10
SSP: 1
Solidarnosc: 1
Others: 3
I think my maths is right.
Good to know how we are sorting this out - thanks for clarifying that tony! sorry about my wicked insuations on my blog ... my legging pulling part of me just took over ...
So Matthew ... i hope too that your maths is good - given your day job! Does your hugely optimistic tendencies for SNP mean you are going to vote for them? And i deeply resent (he he!) the insinuations about Tory / New Labour ... maybe true for Blair and his babes, but not this lot here.
I am not sure i really want to vote for any of them actually; but i do think Salmonds economics are pretty weak ... see my blog for more details on that controversial point...
Yes, I'm voting SNP. It's a vote for change more than anything else.
I've been a nationalist (with a little "n") for a long time and I am not 100% convinced about independence.
However, with Brown pretty much warning that he's going to ignore the Parliament, and with most of his policies likely to pander to middle England as he desperately tries to get re-elected, a strong-willed Executive is what we need. Jack the Hat is not the answer and I believe that a Salmond-led administration is the only way that Scotland will have a voice in the next few years.
I think having the Greens in a coalition administration is also a good thing. It means that their better ideas, particularly environmentally, will be acted upon, but their more "out there" concepts will be side-lined - Tony has mentioned their broadbrush approached to denominatonal schools.
Matthew - care to speculate as to how the 3 others you're going for will bw won - I'm guessing you're giving one to Margo MacDonald, who are the other two.
Rupert - your Tory tendancies are too obvious to try denying! Go on - admit it! (He He!)
Anybody else care to have a go? Submissions after the polls close tomorrow will be considered null and void. Also any ideas on what the government will be like after the polls - Matthew seems to be favouring an SNP, Lib-DEm, Green coalition. With Jack McConnell saying he'd consider a minority government should Labour win the most seats - anybody think thats a goer?
I think I agree with Matthew that we need an executive who will stand firm against Westminister when needed - not just with Mr Brown in mind, but also with the increasing possibility of a tory government in the next few years, who might not be inclined to pay too much attention to Holyrood, but then I'cve long maintained that the next tory government will provide a big boost to the nats north of the border!
Hey chaps, some interesting, though misguided, political opinions.Good to see a Labour / Tory (surely this is now just referred to as Tory) supporter who is prepared to admit to it.
SNP 41 +14
Labour 40 -10
Lib Dems 21 +4
Tories 19 +1
Green 5 -2
SSP 1 -5
Solidarity 1 +1
Independent 1 -3
I'm admitting nothing! Glad you agree with me though Lindsay, that Matthew is VERY misguided!
On the government after the elections,I think it will be an SNP, Green and probably (cry) Tory coalition. I don't think any teo parties will have enough for a majority coalition.
Rupert, the Financial Times seems to think that the SNP finances in the shortish term are realistic, but whether they could generate enough economic growth to ween us off oil money is a difficult one. Adopting a tax policy for businesses similar to the one that London has adopted might increase investment enough though.
Matthew, you sound like the average Scot - in favour of nationalism in the form we currently have it, but unsure of independence. I wonder if this gives your predictions more credence?
Hi Tony, Joanna sent me a link over here. Interesting blog! I've actually been working on the elections in Edinburgh so (ironically) haven't had enough time to study the likely results in detail. But just for the heck of it, here are my predictions:
SNP 42 (+15)
Lab 40 (-10)
Lib Dem 19 (+2)
Con 17 (-1)
Green 7 (0)
SSP 1 (-5)
Solidarity 1 (+1)
Others 2 (-2)
I hope I'm wrong - I'm prepared to admit that I voted Conservative!
If the SNP do get a majority, I don't see any party going into coalition with them. However, I also don't see Labour doing a deal to stay in power if they don't have the most seats - this would just give Alex Salmond 4 years to talk about the will of the people being denied (despite it being clear nonsense). In this case we might be back here in a month to do it all over again.
If Labour manage to shade it, or get the same number of seats as the SNP, it will be Lib-Lab again (perhaps as a stable minority coalition).
I can't see any scenario where the Tories go into coalition with anyone. That's a shame from my perspective.
Linday/Ant
Thanks for the predictions. I got to admit I agree with Ant more than Linds about the likely shape of the govt. - can't see the tories ever in a coalition with SNP!
Ant - just out of interest could you see a Labour - tory coalition. In many was their policies are the most similar?
Well, they say its going to be a nice day today - could be good news for Labour.
Well, I don't really have too much to add. I went for Mike Pringle (Lib Dem) re constituency, and Greens for the regional and local ballots. Like Matthew, my ideal outcome would be a hung parliament with a governing coalition of SNP, Lib Dems and Greens. It is indeed time for a change, and while I am certainly not in favour of Scottish independence, not even an overall-majority SNP government could implement it without a referendum, never mind a coalition one.
As a token gesture of dissent though, I will say that I voted Conservative on the regional ballot in the first parliamentary election - and that for a few years I consider that I got good value for money, since a government ideally needs good opposition from both ends of the political spectrum (never mind the travesty whereby the vast number of Conservative voters in Scotland were denied any representation in Westminster after the original Blair landslide. Fortunately we have a more enlightened system of voting for our own Parliament.)
Adam,
Thanks for the comment - forgive if I take your comment about a more enlightened system with a pich of irony after last night. See my next post for more details.
I suspect Rupert's going to emerge on top of the predictions, but still too early to tell.
Indeed! Although I maintain that, properly explained to the electorate, our voting system is much better than first past the post. The problem is that it seems that a large proportion of said electorate don't understand it. I caught a bit of TV the other day where the BBC ran an "educational slot" on the voting system, which failed to explain the PR/"regional" vote properly... In terms of determining the balance of power in the Parliament, the "second" ballot is considerably more important than the constituency one, and yet I wonder how many voters still view it as an opportunity to, for instance, express their second choice.
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